Is it that bad to be a low lvl character? - Guild Wars Forums

Thalious Morbid · Jul 01, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

I've been playing a while now, and I still don't have every aspect of the game licked. So I ask questions. I have one character in the lava place bottom left of the map, and one I'm building for farming (tired of being broke). Yes I paid someone to do the Droknar's Forge run for my mo/w, and once I got there bought my new armor, obviously, and then grabbed henchies and walked my happy butt to Ice Caves of Sorrow and did it's mission so I could get to Iron Mines of Moladune. Once there I went to Copper Hammer Mines, still trucking along with the henchies, and then moved on to The Granite Citadel. Once there, I had asked this guy who was letting monks know that there was 2 spots left, and that he was heading out, I had sent him a whisper asking him, "Is the monk guy in Mineral Springs usually in a certain spot or area you might be able to point me to?" and then he answered "You a monk?" which I replied with "Yes, I'm a lvl 13 monk, I'm wanting to head out there with henchies to get my Shield of Judgment spell." Well, he then cut off all convo. Never replied again.

Ok, I understand why ppl don't like low lvl char. getting ran to Droknar???s Forge, but I've done it the long way with my main. I did the work at lvl 13 to get my spell, which I would like to say was easy as heck. I dunno why, but I had a much harder time with my N/Mo (after ascension).

But that's just it. Why is there an over abundant amount of jerks developing in this game? So many internet tough guys. Are they nerds that get beat up in school a lot so they act all tough on the net cause of anonymity protection? Well, that's just my gripe. I'm sure it'll get flamed, but I thought I'd just ask/express my opinion.

Be safe and good hunting everyone!

Fye Duron · Jul 01, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I don't really agree with what you did and I personally wouldn't have grouped you, but I would have told you where to go.

Kuku Monk · Jul 01, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Thalious Morbid

But that's just it. Why is there an over abundant amount of jerks developing in this game? So many internet tough guys. Are they nerds that get beat up in school a lot so they act all tough on the net cause of anonymity protection?

That just about sums up the user base of most internet message boards...

Sofonisba · Jul 01, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

I hate to say it, Thalious, but there are preconceptions out there regarding low-level characters in high-level areas. That your guild just paid your way and you rode others' coattails, and that you may just not know how to play the game effectively as a result and might make a terrible team member.

How should this guy know that you already have ascended characters?

I personally have more prejudice against a lvl 20 in an easy area, than I do against a lvl 10 in a hard area. But I will not (yet--but I am not very far in the game) reject anyone from a team based on level alone, nor will I rudely cut off conversation with no explanation.

Thalious Morbid · Jul 01, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Fye Duron

I don't really agree with what you did and I personally wouldn't have grouped you, but I would have told you where to go.

No no bro. I think you got me wrong, I only paid to get there (Droknar's Forge), the rest I did solo with henchies... well guess that's not solo. Wasn't grouped with anyone. So I did all the work on my own, no help from "real people". Just the fact ppl are rude and assume the negative all the time is what bugs me. I didn't ask him to group, just where. I meam I knew the area, just not if he popped up on top or bottom know what I mean?

Akilles · Jul 01, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

i could care less if they are a low in high area or high in a low area. As long as they have fun. I had a lvl 13 monk for the thunderhead mission, he was a good healer so he did his job, all u can ask for. if he did not do good then yes, he would have been flamed. I and some other had to res him a few times but not like i thought we would.

On a funny note....I was using a mesmer at a lvl 10 area, nobody wanted me

so i had my lvl 20 guild mate join me. We all know how hard it is to find monks when u form a group so for fun i put "starting group, lvl 20 warrior already in!" I was hit up with like 8 ppl instantly ... all monks

while everyone else was like PLEASE!!! JUST ONE MONK PLEASE!!!!!!

Enigmatics · Jul 01, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I recall owning people in droknars with level 14 illusion magic and illusionary weapon at level 15. No, it's not necessary, and no one'll want you in their party. And one other thing -you have to finish ascension to do the missions in the southern shiverpeaks.

audioaxes · Jul 01, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

people have all the reason in the world to not want to roll with a low lvl player in a high level mission/quest/arena battle. I dont have all the time in the world to play so im not going to waste any in parties that appear they wont do good. Sure some low level player may be smart and all and can actually make contributions without being a liability but i rather not take a chance and waste time trying. It has nothing to do with thinking you are "so cool" because you're a lvl20 and the other guy is a lvl15.

Zakarr · Jul 01, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Game developers could have removed this shortcut for low level players but they didn't.

Maxiemonster · Jul 01, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

You should follow the story, never go from Beacon's Perch, that's just a stupid idea. I don't think it's really strange they don't invite you. I mean, a lvl 13 is simply way to low for those parts, they're almost useless when they're not highly skilled actually

So I totally agree with the guy not inviting you.

Enigmatics · Jul 01, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49

That, but if you're a me/wa and you desperately need illusionary weaponry, you're allowed. I absolve you.

theclam · Jul 01, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

I would never invite a lvl13 Monk in a high level area. You have, what, 75 attribute points? That's enough to get 8 Healing/8 Divine Favor. You'll also have more than 100 fewer points of health than a lvl20 Monk. Even if you were tremendously skilled, you'd still only have just over half the healing power of a lvl20 Monk. I wouldn't want you in my party when I could have a better Monk. Still, if there wasn't anyone to take your spot, I'd let you in.

Xeller · Jul 01, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

If you hang out in Elona Reach for 5 minutes, you will see this: People who are anal about having a group of all level 20's. Frankly, if you're 18+, you shouldn't have that many problems. Sure, your attributes might not be where you want them to be, but it's a minor difference that can be overlooked. I'd rather have an intelligent party of level 18's than a "im l33ter than j00" party of level 20's, especially for any of the Ascension stuff.

Thalious Morbid · Jul 01, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

You should follow the story, never go from Beacon's Perch, that's just a stupid idea. I don't think it's really strange they don't invite you. I mean, a lvl 13 is simply way to low for those parts, they're almost useless when they're not highly skilled actually

So I totally agree with the guy not inviting you.

hehe that's just it, I wasn't asking for an invite. I was doing it with henchies. My grief is ppl even stop talking to you when they find out you're a low lvl in a high place.

and I agree.. ppl should follow the story first. once you put your time in you can skip however you please... which is what I did. I did the story with my first char. now I'm working on a farmer so I can make money and get a guild hall finally... (wife won't stop bugging me about one)

Magick Catastroph · Jul 02, 2005, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I dont care if people want to go that route, With my second char I just went through doing all the missions to get to ascension to get to lvl 20 quickly. In Sanctum cay at lvl 16 it was nearly impossible to find a group.

But I dont like taking low level people in the later areas of the game for the simple fact of their low number of attribute points.

generik · Jul 02, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by theclam

I would never invite a lvl13 Monk in a high level area. You have, what, 75 attribute points? That's enough to get 8 Healing/8 Divine Favor. You'll also have more than 100 fewer points of health than a lvl20 Monk. Even if you were tremendously skilled, you'd still only have just over half the healing power of a lvl20 Monk. I wouldn't want you in my party when I could have a better Monk. Still, if there wasn't anyone to take your spot, I'd let you in.

Don't be too quick to judge, who knows? He might have 2 sup monk runes

I bought 2 recently for my monk, and while he is darned weak HP wise now, his healing really rocks the boat!

spiritofcat · Jul 02, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Truth is, most people don't like seeing people of low levels in those later areas of the game.
They either feel jealous that you got there so much faster than them, or they think that because you've been rushed there you won't know how to play the game properly, or you're more interested in getting high level stuff to give you an advantage in the low level arenas than actually playing the game.
It's not necessarily true, but that's what people tend to think.

Hell Marauder · Jul 04, 2005, 06:52 AM // 06:52

Even with droknor armor on, a low lvl character is still more a liability than help. You have fewer hp, and do less damage. Now you may have mature playing style, but your contribution is still less than a high lvl character. I have tried to allow low lvl chars into my group, but result is almost universally the same: when things get tough, low lvl chars die first and put out of action. So it is still preferable for you to find someplace to level up or buying one of those scrolls to increase your xps.

Magick Catastroph · Jul 04, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

I actually went to fissure with two level 18's, one warrio and one monk. After a couple quests they were both level 20 =P

firstwave · Jul 04, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20

mineral spring is very hard place IMO, harder than Dreadnought's Drift. If you try to do it @ lvl 13 with henches... You are in for a long night. He probably thought you were a newbie and ignored you since your lvl 13. Personally, I wouldnt group with low lvl ppl in high lvl area because 99% time they are too weak to be of any use.

Jul 01, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26	#1
Thalious Morbid Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	Is it that bad to be a low lvl character? I've been playing a while now, and I still don't have every aspect of the game licked. So I ask questions. I have one character in the lava place bottom left of the map, and one I'm building for farming (tired of being broke). Yes I paid someone to do the Droknar's Forge run for my mo/w, and once I got there bought my new armor, obviously, and then grabbed henchies and walked my happy butt to Ice Caves of Sorrow and did it's mission so I could get to Iron Mines of Moladune. Once there I went to Copper Hammer Mines, still trucking along with the henchies, and then moved on to The Granite Citadel. Once there, I had asked this guy who was letting monks know that there was 2 spots left, and that he was heading out, I had sent him a whisper asking him, "Is the monk guy in Mineral Springs usually in a certain spot or area you might be able to point me to?" and then he answered "You a monk?" which I replied with "Yes, I'm a lvl 13 monk, I'm wanting to head out there with henchies to get my Shield of Judgment spell." Well, he then cut off all convo. Never replied again. Ok, I understand why ppl don't like low lvl char. getting ran to Droknar???s Forge, but I've done it the long way with my main. I did the work at lvl 13 to get my spell, which I would like to say was easy as heck. I dunno why, but I had a much harder time with my N/Mo (after ascension). But that's just it. Why is there an over abundant amount of jerks developing in this game? So many internet tough guys. Are they nerds that get beat up in school a lot so they act all tough on the net cause of anonymity protection? Well, that's just my gripe. I'm sure it'll get flamed, but I thought I'd just ask/express my opinion. Be safe and good hunting everyone!

Jul 01, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#2
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	I don't really agree with what you did and I personally wouldn't have grouped you, but I would have told you where to go.

Jul 01, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34	#4
Sofonisba Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]	I hate to say it, Thalious, but there are preconceptions out there regarding low-level characters in high-level areas. That your guild just paid your way and you rode others' coattails, and that you may just not know how to play the game effectively as a result and might make a terrible team member. How should this guy know that you already have ascended characters? I personally have more prejudice against a lvl 20 in an easy area, than I do against a lvl 10 in a hard area. But I will not (yet--but I am not very far in the game) reject anyone from a team based on level alone, nor will I rudely cut off conversation with no explanation.

Jul 01, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54	#6
Akilles Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Jade	i could care less if they are a low in high area or high in a low area. As long as they have fun. I had a lvl 13 monk for the thunderhead mission, he was a good healer so he did his job, all u can ask for. if he did not do good then yes, he would have been flamed. I and some other had to res him a few times but not like i thought we would. On a funny note....I was using a mesmer at a lvl 10 area, nobody wanted me so i had my lvl 20 guild mate join me. We all know how hard it is to find monks when u form a group so for fun i put "starting group, lvl 20 warrior already in!" I was hit up with like 8 ppl instantly ... all monks while everyone else was like PLEASE!!! JUST ONE MONK PLEASE!!!!!!

Jul 01, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06	#7
Enigmatics Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tenafly, NJ Guild: Defenders of Rillanon Profession: W/Mo	I recall owning people in droknars with level 14 illusion magic and illusionary weapon at level 15. No, it's not necessary, and no one'll want you in their party. And one other thing -you have to finish ascension to do the missions in the southern shiverpeaks.

Jul 01, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55	#8
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	people have all the reason in the world to not want to roll with a low lvl player in a high level mission/quest/arena battle. I dont have all the time in the world to play so im not going to waste any in parties that appear they wont do good. Sure some low level player may be smart and all and can actually make contributions without being a liability but i rather not take a chance and waste time trying. It has nothing to do with thinking you are "so cool" because you're a lvl20 and the other guy is a lvl15.

Jul 01, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16	#9
Zakarr Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland	Game developers could have removed this shortcut for low level players but they didn't.

Jul 01, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34	#10
Maxiemonster There is no spoon. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Profession: Mo/	You should follow the story, never go from Beacon's Perch, that's just a stupid idea. I don't think it's really strange they don't invite you. I mean, a lvl 13 is simply way to low for those parts, they're almost useless when they're not highly skilled actually So I totally agree with the guy not inviting you.

Jul 01, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49	#11
Enigmatics Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tenafly, NJ Guild: Defenders of Rillanon Profession: W/Mo	That, but if you're a me/wa and you desperately need illusionary weaponry, you're allowed. I absolve you.

Jul 01, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03	#12
theclam Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	I would never invite a lvl13 Monk in a high level area. You have, what, 75 attribute points? That's enough to get 8 Healing/8 Divine Favor. You'll also have more than 100 fewer points of health than a lvl20 Monk. Even if you were tremendously skilled, you'd still only have just over half the healing power of a lvl20 Monk. I wouldn't want you in my party when I could have a better Monk. Still, if there wasn't anyone to take your spot, I'd let you in.

Jul 01, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42	#13
Xeller Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: R/Me	If you hang out in Elona Reach for 5 minutes, you will see this: People who are anal about having a group of all level 20's. Frankly, if you're 18+, you shouldn't have that many problems. Sure, your attributes might not be where you want them to be, but it's a minor difference that can be overlooked. I'd rather have an intelligent party of level 18's than a "im l33ter than j00" party of level 20's, especially for any of the Ascension stuff.

Jul 02, 2005, 12:15 AM // 00:15	#15
Magick Catastroph Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005	I dont care if people want to go that route, With my second char I just went through doing all the missions to get to ascension to get to lvl 20 quickly. In Sanctum cay at lvl 16 it was nearly impossible to find a group. But I dont like taking low level people in the later areas of the game for the simple fact of their low number of attribute points.

Jul 02, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37	#17
spiritofcat Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Order of the Sanguine Dragon [OSD] Profession: E/Mo	Truth is, most people don't like seeing people of low levels in those later areas of the game. They either feel jealous that you got there so much faster than them, or they think that because you've been rushed there you won't know how to play the game properly, or you're more interested in getting high level stuff to give you an advantage in the low level arenas than actually playing the game. It's not necessarily true, but that's what people tend to think.

Jul 04, 2005, 06:52 AM // 06:52	#18
Hell Marauder Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	Even with droknor armor on, a low lvl character is still more a liability than help. You have fewer hp, and do less damage. Now you may have mature playing style, but your contribution is still less than a high lvl character. I have tried to allow low lvl chars into my group, but result is almost universally the same: when things get tough, low lvl chars die first and put out of action. So it is still preferable for you to find someplace to level up or buying one of those scrolls to increase your xps.

Jul 04, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57	#19
Magick Catastroph Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005	I actually went to fissure with two level 18's, one warrio and one monk. After a couple quests they were both level 20 =P

Jul 04, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20	#20
firstwave Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005	mineral spring is very hard place IMO, harder than Dreadnought's Drift. If you try to do it @ lvl 13 with henches... You are in for a long night. He probably thought you were a newbie and ignored you since your lvl 13. Personally, I wouldnt group with low lvl ppl in high lvl area because 99% time they are too weak to be of any use.